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Richard
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Posted: Tue Nov 1st, 2005 10:58 pm |
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Hey guys,
I am new to this site and wonder if any of you have thought that maybe what you are fighting may not be the way to go. Let me explain. The site is dealing with same-sex attractions. Let me put a spin on this . What if the same sex attractions are not in themselves evil?
G-D has created within us a deep need for Him. He has not made a difference in males or females, in reguard to how they experience that need for Him. Women can relate to a male G-D easliy. Men , on the other hand must try to relate to a male G-D in the same fashion. I have sought G-D over and over on this matter. He has given me some insight which I wish to share in the future.
We see in the Bible the relationship of Jonathan and David. We see how they related to one another.
I am a Jew that believes in the Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) . I am a congregational leader of a synagogue. I am pursuing to become a Rabbi. By the way , I used to be homosexual and am now happily married for 19 years with six children! Adonai is good. Shalom
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mike
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Posted: Wed Nov 2nd, 2005 03:45 pm |
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Hi Richard -
I deleted the link to the website in your post, as I don't see how an article on whether David and Jonathan were homosexual (or were physically stimulated when they touched each other) will help someone who's looking for help in dealing with homosexual sin.
I reemphasize that this is not the place to debate whether homosexuality is sin or not. These forums are for people looking for support and input for the way out.
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Posted: Sun Nov 6th, 2005 01:10 am |
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| well, what approach did you take? I am open to anything that will work considering that nothing i've done in the past helped.
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Richard
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Posted: Sun Nov 6th, 2005 02:08 am |
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I believe that one thing that Satan has done to men is to say that they cannot be intimate with each other. By intimate ,I mean the male touch of affirmation. This is not a sexual touch, but a touch of brotherly love and compassion.
G-D has bulit within the framework of men the desire for male touch. This is a good , and right desire within every man that is normal. What has occured in society is that the enemy has convinced men that they are weird or evil if they desire male companionship. THIS IS A LIE. We all need male friends with whom we can confide. But we start telling ourselves that we must be "gay" because we desire this closeness. Since it is a G-D-given desire, it does not go away. Then we listen to the lie and convince ourselves that we are shameful. We then take the fruit that seems to be forbidden. Male touch; but because we have wrong thinking , we think that we must sin in order to fulfill our need. Please know men , that all things that are wrong in our lives are illigitimate ways of fulfilling a legitimate need.
I went around and round in circles with my desires until I found that G-D had a different plan. Now this may destory some old victorian beliefs but I had a friend that G-D placed in my life. He is married with two children. I would go to his house and we would work out. Sometimes after working out, we would just talk and hold each other. I mean hold each other close. OOOOOhhh . this is too much. many people think.
John was close to Yeshua (Jesus) . In scripture he would rest on the breast of Yeshua. What would happen if we saw a man reclining on another man's chest now-a-days? What would society label him?
Men in order to heal , you need good, solid male friendships that include touching. Seek G-D for this. Do not condmen yourself in a vicious cycle of falling, repenting, falling , repenting. Know that you are men created in G-D's image. You are male , be happy at what you are. Men are seeking an intimacy closer than a hand-shake. This is where walking and trusting G-D comes into play.
G-D is not horrified at your desires; he has already seen the begiinning and end of your life, but He also has the answer to your needs. True desires for male intimacy can be fulfilled in a right way. I know . I have endured the horrible pangs of male hunger. I have had urges I thought would completely destroy me. But then G-D brought a man into my life that was not afraid to hug me, not afraid to touch me, not afraid to kiss me. Yes kiss me! What does even scripture say? Meet each other with a brotherly kiss! Guess what happend guys? It healed me. I felt accepted and affirmed by another man. My need was being met in a good and right way, and it healed me. Now we are best of friends and feel totally comfortable with each other. Our wives know that we are close and love the idea that we have each other. I do not mean sexually either. But we do remain physically close by touching and holding one another.
The enemy uses fear to keep you away from men. Men are vital to your healing. Do not be afraid to forge relationships because you may have a sexual thought. I did not allow myself to be at ease or to enjoy male friendships for years because I was afraid I would "do something". You might say," I keep having sex thoughts about this guy, I cannot be friends with him." Forge the friendship! Do not allow your mind to keep you from the good that may be around the corner. Remember that thoughts in themselves are not wrong until you give in to those thoughts.
Men, when you SATISFY the need for male affirmation in your life in the way it was intended , you will begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel. How is a man to relate to another man? Read about Jonathan and David in the scriptures. David was a man after G-D's own heart, and deeply loved another man. Yes deeply loved. We cannot even say that in today's society without thinking something. You can deeply love another man and be completely in the will of G-D! Is that not liberating?
Guys be patient with yourself, hard to do I know. Many of you have come from horrible backgrounds. I was molested as a child. But you know what? Now I can help others by sharing my life experiences. That is the purpose of male comradory. We sharpen each other and speak into each others lives for good.
You will slay the giant in your life. I have walked the walk , and I know the pain. Keep your head up and know that others have walked in your shoes and still came out a winner. So can you.
Good things are on the way for you as long as you strive for the right thing.
Until I write again,
Richard
Last edited on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 06:48 am by Richard
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 11:06 pm |
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When someone refers to God as G-D I immediately find their words suspect. No, our approach is not wrong.
Does God wants pick pockets to struggle with thoughts of stealing? (Am I equating homosexuality with stealing? Why not? They are both sins!)
Does God want rapists to struggle with thoughts of rape? (Am I equating homosexuality with rape? Why not! They are both sins!)
Does God want ANY person who STRUGGLES with ANY SIN to STRUGGLE with the TEMPTATION of IT?
No. The answer is an emphatic NO.
It is a NO because healing is not meant to be a partial thing.
(2 Cor 10:5 KJV) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Two large lies being broadcast in the homosexual community today are that it is OK to be gay, just be abstinent, and that it is not only OK with God to be gay, but also being in a gay relationship, so long as both parties are monogamous. Both are unbiblical.
The Bible condemns homosexuality: Gen. 19:1-11; Lev. 18:22; Judges 19:22-25; Rom. 1:25-27; I Cor. 6:9; I Tim. 1:9-10.
The Bible also tells us to renew our minds:
Phillipians 4:8:
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Now, if the unrepentant homosexual is said NOT to inherit the kingdom of God, what makes you think God wants you to renew your mind with homosexual temptations, or even the thought of it at all?
Sorry, but that is wholly unbiblical.
Most people who struggle with homosexuality honestly want it *all* gone.
I know I do!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:18 am |
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| I am very interested in what you siad. Its totally new to me. i have never heard of such a thing and i actually agree with much of what you said. I feel that the culture has distorted like you seemed to say godly male relationships. I completly agree with the hugging and touching in a non sexual way. not going to say anything about the kissing...I can see what you were saying and i kinda agree but kinda not. I think culturally we are to different to apply the meet each other with a brotherly kiss to now a days but its only a cultural mind set. Its given me a lot to think about. A lot to think about. So off subject but im curious. When you say your a jew that believes in the Yeshua how does that affect how you live and practice religion. Im honestly just curious. We had a jew that believed Yeshua was the messiah come and speak to our churhc and it was the most amazing thing. I wish i understood more of the jewish way of thinking so that i could understand more clearly what the bible meant since the whole old testiment is written to jews and most if not all of the new testiment is writen by jews. I slightly envy that you have that advantage.
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 03:17 am |
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I am really sorry, I get combative and it is a problem for me. I am wrong, I apologize.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21st, 2009 11:07 pm |
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Thanks, dolorequiem
I think I should have stayed out of the discussion, all the same.
Will try to be more tactful with words in future.
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Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 01:13 pm |
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With respect to referring to God as "G-d".....it actually shows tremendous respect. Observant Jews do not write the name of the Lord in any manner that can be cast off or degraded or shown disrespect.
Please see: http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do-jews-write-g-d-instead-of-god.htm
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Posted: Sun Nov 29th, 2009 10:47 pm |
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Yes. What is the Old Testament reference for that fear of writing or pronouncing the word of G-d?
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Posted: Mon Nov 30th, 2009 11:35 am |
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| From the link: "...As a general rule of thumb, practicing Jews do not write the name God because of the laws delivered by Moses which are found in Deuteronomy 12:3-12:4. In this passage, the Jews are instructed to destroy anything and everything associated with their rival’s gods, and they are not to let this happen to their own God. Writing G-d instead of God is one way to prevent others from destroying the name of God...."
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